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[caetrin]

A few days after the arrival of the Saxons
Late at night, the castle is quite.

Caetrin traced a scarred finger over the castle blueprints, she had a way in, and a way out. Stepping back, she slid her knives into the sheathes hidden by the folds of her dress, and wrapped a tattered cloak around her torso. "Adelmar stays here, do not attack until I give the signal." She said, casting an icy glance at her servants following her around busily. Caetrin brushed some dirt against her cheeks, she could get by acting like a peasant. "You. Go with him. You guys are with me." Caetrin said, pulling the hood of her cloak over her head, hopefully to conceal her identity.

The group slid out of the back of the camp, staying hidden in the shadows as they made their way to the eastern entrance of the wall, the entrance closest to Helena. Coming upon the wall, she halted, signaling the small army to attack the wall. Within the next few minutes, the Saxons had already moved up the wall, some with bow and arrows, many of the arrows were fire ridden. Caetrin could hear screams and yells inside the city, smirking, as the guards rushed over to the main entrance; they were under attack, and most of the people had been asleep. "Come on."

Caetrin slipped inside of the castle, looking down meekly as knights and guards ran about. Two of her guards almost ran into some knights running about, drawing their swords; they slaughtered them and put the armor on. Peering down the hallway, the Princess's room was only guarded by a few guards, Guinevere, and Aly. Caetrin narrowed her brow, glancing at her men. ”Take them down, somebody must’ve told them. Kendall.” She muttered, as she lurched forward, the guards following behind her. Drawing a knife, she stuck it into one the guard’s neck, jerking it out hurriedly. One of the men aimed for Guinevere with a shield, hoping to knock her unconscious, while the other tried to hit Aly with another shield.

The Saxon Princess leaned against the wall, looking around the corner; none of the knights were heading this way, thankfully. ”Hurry.” She hissed, ducking as a shield came her way, and lunged for the Princess’s door.

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[allison]

OOC: Erm - I'm not entirely sure what to do. Allison - who knows of the kidnapping because of Kendall - started a thread with Guinevere in the princesses room - with two other guards - guarding her - though I think we planned on Helena being captured at the end of a short fight - so.. yeah. The thread was 'a chilling message,' And now I'm not sure what to do..

[Princess Aurelia Augustus]

-reads- Caetrin would be talking to Arthur during that thread, or that's what I've gotten from it, so I think it'd be hard for her to post in that two, since she's supposed to be talking to Arthur at the same time. -just confused self-

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[kajouka]

Feb 9, 2009 20:47:36 GMT -5 @allison said:

OOC: Erm - I'm not entirely sure what to do. Allison - who knows of the kidnapping because of Kendall - started a thread with Guinevere in the princesses room - with two other guards - guarding her - though I think we planned on Helena being captured at the end of a short fight - so.. yeah. The thread was 'a chilling message,' And now I'm not sure what to do..

yeah, second that. Guinevere is in Helena's room and I can't see how anyone would have gotten to the room before her and Aly, since they left the wall directly after Catrin's arrival. Since Aly told Guin about the kidnapping, there is no way she'd leave Helena's side. Helena is going to have to be taken by force... before Guinevere has a chance to tell Arthur.

[allison]

OOC: If it helps - Aly would probably try to stop Guinevere telling Arthur - so Caetrin would have more time to sneak in. But as Guinevere said in the C-box - lets wait for Arthur to sort this out.

[the goddesses ,]

-furrows brow- Well, technically, Caetrin says that this is a few days later after her arrival. So, I don't see anything wrong with this, because it would be hard for Caetrin to kidnap her when Arthur is talking to her, unless she can be in two places at onces.

[allison]

OOC: True - I think the timings okay - but what about Aly, Guinevere, and the other soldier guarding inside the room - seeing as they're probably not going to leave until the saxons go - but if we do play out a fight seen well make sure Helena gets captured - but I dunno - up to you guys. Sorry - I'm not really helping..

[the goddesses ,]

Hmm,, well, I thought it would only be the guards, guarding her room, because Guinevere usually has something else to do, and -looks- this is late at night?

[kajouka]

Uh, from a mother's perspective, if someone told me that the woman outside my door was intent on kidnapping my daughter, you'd have to pry her from my cold dead body before there was anything in the world 'to do' that would be more important than protecting her life regardless of the time of day.

Also, given that Guinevere knows about the plan from Aly (from Kendall), there is no way Aly could stop her from telling Arthur if the Saxons have been camping outside for a few days.

The problem is that we have some plot/continuity issues between this thread and a few other threads that we obviously need to sort out. But as it stands, the current thread lines clash... badly.

[the goddesses ,]

Jan 21, 2009 22:36:09 GMT -5 Alowyn said:

Kendall sighed and walked over to the entrance way, looking around eagerly, then walked over to Allison swiftly, pulling a chair beside her. ”I have heard many, but the one that bothers me the most… is that he is planning to kidnap Arthur’s daughter and hold her hostage. I do not know if this is true, for Cyrnic has spoken nothing of that sort, though.”

After I've done some research, I noticed that Kendall didn't give a time frame, she just said that the kidnapping was a possibility. Then I moved over to the plot idea thread that Caetrin posted, and she states the mini-army will attack and create a diversion. It would be hard for her to sneak into her quarters while talking to Arthur, so I don't know what else to do, except to ask if you have any better ideas.

[kajouka]

Actually, I think that Caetrin would have a hard time sneaking in period. As the known leader of the army, Arthur should have scouts and watches on her at all times. He should know where her position is always and if she was suddenly unaccounted for, that in and of itself would raise a huge red flag to him and his army.

I am thinking that the only way this is going to work given the current threads, is that while Caetrin is distracting Arthur, her men would actually attempt the kidnapping. While 600ish soldiers is enough for one or two to sneak off, I would doubt that the leader could do so effectively. She'd be watched like a hawk with Arthur's scouts.

I would expect that the kidnapping would have to happen immediately and that night, otherwise no father or mother would allow their daughter to be vulnerable given time to prepare adequate defenses. Especially since they have been given warning of a kidnapping plan. It doesn't mater what the time frame is. Someone could tell Guinevere that her daughter was going be kidnapped a year from now, until that person is caught a mother would not rest.

Those are my thoughts.

[Marina Tertius]

In my opinion, I think that keeping tabs 24/7 would be hard, because the Saxons have tents [going by Caetrin's posts, so cut me some slack] and that her tent in in the middle, it'd be hard to see her unless you were actually in the camp. I'm a history geek, so I understand how some of the kidnappings work out; usually the leader will dress up as someone of lower ranking, have their army create an diversion somehow, and slip in dressed a peasant or some older person.

Personally, I'm stuck in the middle. Maybe Caetrin could sneak in, and her men have to fight off some of the guards, run back to the city with Helena, and question Kendall on why they were prepared. If I was in this situation, I would wait for a few days before doing anything, because like Guin said, most are expecting something to happen they night of the arrival. But then again, that's me.

[kajouka]

I can buy that first scenario, with her dressing as someone else and sneaking out. Even with tents and lots of people, experienced watchers should be able to track her into and out of a tent. I think a disguise is doable though and I like that.

Regardless, I can't buy that Aly and Guinevere would leave Helena unattended in the middle of the night given that a risk of kidnapping exists. Guinevere at this point would not leave her side until well after the Saxons and their camp had left, and even then she'd probably push Arthur into war to destroy them. As a Mom, I wouldn't stop until the risk to my kid is gone.

Let me know what you decide Arthur, but I think if we go with this, Aly and I are going to have to change our post....

[caetrin]

Hmm, what about Marina's second scenario; Caetrin dress up, and her guards have to fight off Helena, Guinevere and Aly, what about that?

[kajouka]

I can go for that

so last question: we're still doing it a few nights later or that night in the middle of the night?

[kajouka]

Another possible option, is that once Caetrin and her crew are inside, they could kill a few of Arthur's knights and change into their clothing, put some helmets on so their faces aren't all that noticeable. They could then approach Guin and Aly 'escorting' Caetrin. Guinevere lets down her guard enough that the group then overtakes her and Aly.

I'd guess that either they'd need to render Guinevere and Aly unconcious or well, likely they'd try to kill them, or else the pair would attempt to raise the guard before Caetrin escaped. Thoughts?

(sorry for the d-post but the site is slow for me today)

[the goddesses ,]

Ok, personally, I like Marina's idea and Guinevere's. Maybe they could sneak in, kill some knights, dress up as them, escort Caetrin, then attack Aly and Guin, grabs Helena, and run.

[allison]

Okay - I like Marina's, Guinevere, and Arthur's ideas. A reason for not killing Guinevere or Aly would be that one, or the saxons might think both, know who betrayed the saxons - so they might keep them alive - or try to kidnap them as well. 'Cept dragging two adults would probably be hard, so they might just knock them unconscious.

I like the escorting idea a lot, easier then the 'guards' just breaking the door down.

[caetrin]

Ok, so I guess we'll just do that, I'll modify my post now.

[the goddesses ,]

You guys will have to start a new thread, I'm locking this one so it can look a little bit neater.